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from this chilly reception to hot topics in the white house, mexico new president arriving this hour. >> president obama is getting ready to pack his bags. that's right. the campaigner in chief is heading back out onto the trail. he does know he won, right? >> i'm steve kornacki. for me of us it's home for the holidays. you get a rare chance to see old friends and distant relatives. the bad news is you get a chance to see old friends and distant relatives. >> i'm making a pledge to my friend grover norquist. you're in "the cycle," and you have my word it's going to be good. the case against ambassador susan rice as a successor to hillary clinton deepens. she went to the hill today to smooth it over with senators mccain, ayotte and graham who criticized her original comments
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on the deadly benghazi attacks. i picture the conversation between the president and rice going like this. we want you as secretary of state, so go make nice. answer their questions so they stop attacking you and threatening to block your possible nomination. yeah, so how did that work out? >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american public was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. if you can do nothing but give bad information, isn't it better to give no information at all? >> i'm more troubled today. just to be clear, when you have a position where you're
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ambassador to the united nations, you go well beyond unclassified talking points in your daily preparation and responsibilities for that job. that's troubling to me as well. why she wouldn't have asked. >> amanda is a senior political reporter at the huffington post. amanda, susan rice also issued a statement after that meeting and in part she says, we explained that the talking points provided by the intelligence community and the initial assessment upon which they were based were incorrect. in a key respect there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. i have to say, i'm confused. we know from the cia testimony and those hearings that the intelligence was good and changed somewhere along the way. arecloser to figuring out where that communication breakdown occurred? >> reporter: there's always a fog of war, as it is. a lot of this information we have to remember is classified. so she can't talk about it, and
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if they were talking about it, i'd be a little more disturbed because they'd be revealing classified information. is it still hard to figure out exactly what happened? yes. it does not seem like susan rice was out there deliberating lying as some senators said. she was begin these talking points about the intelligence community and was sent out by the white house and that's what she did. she delivered the information as to sort of the best of what she understood at the time. >> well, it was not classified that this was a terrorist att k attack. that was in press reports days afterwards and before she went on national television. i got to ask, is the president wasting good capital pushing this nomination of a clearly controversy figure, regardless of which side you fall on susan rice, instead of pushing for immigration and fiscal cliff and saving up his capital there? >> reporter: well, it's clear the president is fond of susan rice. you saw that in the press conference after the election.
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he really forcefully defended her. you saw more passionate people had been waiting for from the president. if there's a time to push someone, the president believes is the best personed to the job, it's after you win the election in a pretty strong way. so the president, i think, if he wants to push her, now is the team to do it. it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmurch her
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reputation is outrageous. when they gt after the u.n. ambassador apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a problem with me. >> so, first of all, bes is suhsh is great word. prior to that press conference i was am bif lent to secretary of state. i like john kerry and sue glan rice. after i saul the president go to bat for her and point out how outrageous these attacks on her having, i am more inclined to want to see susan rice in that position, which also leads me to the conclusion. john mccain, if his ultimate goem w goal was to keep susan rice from secretary of state it seems he's made a tactical error. he backed the president into a corner and made it to appear weak and trying to placate mccain and graham and ayotte instead of going with the person that he really wants to see in the position. >> reporter: i mean, you've seen
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lawmakers and some republican lawmakers go after quite a few of the president's either nominees, people who are actually in office. you have seen this with attorney general eric holder. epa had lisa jackson van jones who was at the white house and president obama won an election. he liked susan rice. he's close to her. it's clear he thinks she would be the best for the job or one of the best for the job, and he's going to fight for her. i think you're right. backing him into a corner may prompt him to fight harder. >> amanda, the story has not advanced since day one. john mccain and kelly ayotte and lindsey graham saying why did she say the things she said? the only advance we had is the intelligence community said she said exactly what we told her to say. we knew it was an attack, and we told her not to say because we didn't want al qaeda to know we knew it at that point. the real question is why is mccain making this attack and wasting whatever political capital and reputation he has
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left? >> reporter: well, some people are wondering does mccain want to simply stay in the spotlight? mccain is known for foreign policy. he's known for going on sunday shows. the benghazi issue gets him back in the spotlight. everyone is talking about john mccain again. so some people wonder if there's a little bit of political opportunism there. >> i want to go back to something krystal said a minute ago. closing ranks behind susan rice because much political battle lines in this. you made the point earlier if you just looked at this without regard to benghazi and said john mccain realistically speaking, who potentially could appoint secretary of state that would agree ideological with you. realistically susan rice is as good as he can do. the consensus in the democratic party is probably to the right of it. i wonder is there any push-back from the left or from democrats in washington toward the administration just saying, hey,
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look, don't fall for this trap of nominating susan rice because you have to? get somebody that agrees more? >> susan rice is very well respected, and i know a lot of progressives wanted her to be a spokesperson because they thought she was effective. susan rice is known as the conscience of the administration when it comes to human rights. se favors a muscular intervention diplomacy and is probably more willing to intervene on human rights issues than john kerry would be. john kerry, if he were nominated for secretary of state, would probably have an easier time through the senate, especially now, but also because the senators there are his colleagues. >> amanda, thanks very much. see you soon. >> thank you. >> this hour the president meets with mexico's president-elect, and they're taking immigration. could we be on the verge of major reform? the spin cycle is next, and we roll on for tuesday, november 27th. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso.
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president obama meets at the white house this hour with mexi mexico's president-elect. there's plenty to discuss, but at top of the list according to the white house immigration reform. president obama won more than two-thirds of the latino vote. the administration believes that should be a wake-up call for republicans to get on board with a bill about the border. a new abc news poll shows a majority of americans support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already on u.s. soil. is this issue finally fertile
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ground in washington? let's spin about it. i don't think we can eliminate or separate the immigration discussion from the drug war, which stretches across the united states and mexico. part of the immigration discussion and the drug war wrapped up in this fear of, you know, drugs, violence, poor folks participating and escaping from the drug war coming here. america is slowly moving against the war on drugs. it's kinld of amazing to see this movement. we see colorado and washington creating a very liberal open policy, california striking down their three-strikes law. that says let's not have nonviolent drug offenders go away to jail for a long time. judges and police say this is a losing battle. let's move towards treatment and decriminalization and treat it like alcohol rather than prohibition and criminalization. we have a mexican president saying, hey, let's look at a different way to treat this thing. let's talk about what he recently said. in favor of opening a new debate
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in the strategy in the way we fight drug traffickings. it's clear after several decades we have more drug consumption, drug use, drug trafficking. things are not working. a change in the drug policy would have a massive impact on the economy and on crime in both north america and throughout south america, and would lead the way and open the path toward a more humane immigration policy and people in america accepting them. >> i think you're right. it's been interesting. as things have moved politically in terms of the war on drugs, we've also, of course, seen after this election potential movement on comprehensive immigration reform. republicans recognizing that they cannot continue down this path of losing latino voters by such a large margin. the president addressed at his recent press conference the possibility of immigration reform. let's take a listen. >> i think there's a pathway for
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legal status for those who are living in this country, are not engaged in a criminal activity, are here simply to work. it's important for them to pay back taxes and important to learn english and it's important for them to potentially pay a fine. but to give them the avenue whereby they can resolve their legal status here in this country is very important. >> now, one thing that stuck out to me there is rather than saying path to citizenship he said path to legal status, which is two different things. with citizen ship you can vote and with legal status you can't. for a lot of republicans a sticking point has been that distinction. it was their problem with the dream act, because when you lose latino voters by that large margin, you don't want more latino voters. ann coulter said something at a conference a while back that stuck with me. she said after obama care our biggest issue is immigration
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because if we allow amnesty the whole country will go the way of california and we will never win a national election again. i think that distinction could be an important one in this battle and sticking point. the other thing is republicans have used the immigration issue in primaries and with their base for so long, i do think that this issue a comprehensive immigration reform bill could create a amajor scism within the republican party and could be a new litmus test for republicans. >> it might. one solution to that might be to introduce more sort of piecemeal approaches as opposed to a huge comprehensive bill. one of those bills is the s.t.e.m. jobs act. it was introduced in december and was defeated. it will be brought up again in the lame duck i'm hearing. the gop has tinkered with it. allows highly skilled foreign
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students to study here in those areas, and then they don't have to go back home or to foreign countries to put those skills to uchlts we want them to stay here and make the visa process easier and make it easier for them to then bring their families here. so it's a good piece of legislation. i think if looks at immigration in a way that counts education and employment. those are two huge factors when addressing the immigration issue. it identifies a gap in the marketplace, that gap being skilled workers in science and tech, and creates a st. louolut based on education and immigration reforms. i think if republicans can survey the landscape and find those areas where they can come up with immigration overtures that may collectively look like a bigger immigration reform package, i think they can be saled they did the right thing without giving everything they want away. >> that might work they'oreticay
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piecemeal. the important thing is the idea it could create it in the republican party. it really did in 2006 when a few republicans namely george w. bush, karl rove and john mccain and the senate realized the democratic future and had to do go about it. they got 44% of the hispanic vote in 2004. they said let's increase this and cement it and we can have the permanent republican majority. what happened was the republican base, the conservative information establishment wasn't there at all. they didn't look at the long-term demographic picture and say there's an emergency here. they looked at 2004 and said, we won. why give away anything here? there was this total sort of revolt within the republican network, and it resulted in -- it nearly killed john mccain's presidential campaign in 2008. where are we today? we're in a different place. the parties lost an election in part because of the hispanic issues. there are voices now i'm hearing -- i don't say uniform
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consensus on the right about this. i've heard voices i've never heard speak up before. sean hannity has spoke up. it creates an opportunity for -- this issue is sitting there for a decade now, this idea that pathway to citizenship is stalled. it creates an opportunity for the reform for real comprehensive immigration reform activists and advocates to say here it is. this is the big bill. comprehensive immigration reform. forget the piecemeal stuff. republicans are on board or not. >> yes or no. >> i bet half the republicans say no. if they get half to say yes and guys like sean hannity giving them cover. >> sean hani intellectually is so small. the evolution is not enough to stop the sort of demographic train of latinos and hispanics becoming part of the democratic party for a long time. you should live in fear of that. we know if the latinos and hispanics go the way black
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people go the 50 years, it's over for the republican p party. >> when you look at 2004, republicans said we won 44% of this population. we're clearly winning on policy. we don't need to address this anymore, and we don't need to address the immigration issue. that was a huge mistake. you're absolutely right. they should have taken that and built momentum and made more overtures instead of ignoring this population. >> they didn't ignore them. they didn't ignore them. they demonized them. they went the opposite way. >> i don't think so. >> another danger is if there's a split as is likely in the republican party, in primaries you'll see some very ugly rhetoric around this. >> sure. >> people will highlight a problem in the republican party in terms of rhetoric around latinos and around immigration. >> it will be the big question the opinion-shaping voices on the right in the republican party. hannity is one of them, but there are many others. do they fan the flames like they did in 2006? >> we also need leaders that shut down that kind of decisive
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rhetoric and say, your language is not representing us, and it's not working anymore. >> absolutely. when the rushes and coulters lead it, you have problems. you talk about piecemeal. this president wants comprehensive reform, not little pieces. >> i'm glad he's doing it now. we do need big controversial -- >> s.e. cupp answers it. >> i answered the call. >> next, road trip. the campaigning's done, so what is the president hitting the highway for now? not immigration.
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we're 21 days into the
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fiscal fiasco hostage situation on capitol hill with lots of words but little action since the election. that's getting ready to change. today the president aannounced he's hitting the road on friday for everyone making less than 250,000 a year. but we know how these things work. we know everyone is going to stall for the next few weeks pandering to constituencies because washington likes to walt until the buzzer to get their shot off. which is this week "the cycle" is unveiling our four-corners offense giving us plenty of flexibility in how we attack the story. we look at the fiscal cliff or as steve calls it the fiscal slope or the fiscal fiesta and of course the fiscal follies. we'll install our own special graphic later this week. it's our new style of play and our next guest might want to be a pair here as he writes about it every day until the situation is resolved.
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sounds riveting. in the guest spot today is dan gross, the columnist and global business editor for "newsweek" daily beast who says in his latest piece republicans still haven't recognized the new reality. dan, you may be right. i don't know. i guess we'll see. if republicans do agree to raise taxes, do you think that democrats will agree to any health care entitlement reform? which is the harder sell? >> no, i don't think so. that's why i'm so pessimistic or actually so optimistic about going over this fiscal cliff. usually when i threaten to write about something every day until it is resolved, it gets resolved quickly. we'll see in this case. >> that's power. >> the election kind of ratified the stance. which is the bush tax cuts should expire for those making over a certain amount. the steps republicans are taking while useful in negotiating.
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we see the need for more revenues. okay, we understand we need to negotiate and sort of stamp our feet, they're still talking -- they're having two different conversations. they're saying it's okay to have more revenues if it comes from getting rid of certain tax loopholes, but we won't say which ones those are. by the way, you have to put the two greatest democratic achievements of the past century, social security and medicare, on the chopping block in exchange for that. that shouldn't be in exchange for that, because if we simply do nothing, the republicans lose everything they want. >> such a great point. dan, speaking of republicans not recognizing the new reality, grover norquist has been furiously trying to spin the fact that there are several senators and members of congress who are moving away from his sacred pledge. let's take a listen to a little bit of grover. >> the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said
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today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the same thing with other people who are elected because they made that written commitment to the people of their state. >> that sounds like a threat. >> why does he keep making this romantic sexual thing? >> don't make it sexual! >> impure thoughts? romance and marriage? >> he's really sad. he's a little heartbroken here. he's had a lot of his life in this sacred oath, and they're discarding it like it was nothing. dan, two grover's point, you know, are those republicans having just impure thoughts as he put it, or are they willing to move away from the pledge and actually when it comes down to it not just increase revenues
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through closing loopholes but increase the rates? >> this is the reason why we shouldn't be so quick to dmis grover norquist, because he's right it's been 20 years since george h.w. bush signed on a tax increase and he got a big primary challenge from bat buchanan and ended up losing. no republican since then said i'm for higher taxes. i will sign off on them. again, this is part of the reason i think we're likely to go over the fiscal cliff. it may seem juvenile to say i swore to an oath. we can't do this. i will never stroet to increase taxes. once all the taxes go up, everybody is in a position to vote for a tax cut. so the nature of this may be such that republicans feel compelled to wait until after taxes have risen so that they can actually vote for a tax cut, which will be some sort of compromise. i don't think we should dismiss grover norquist and the power of
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this pledge and the threat to run primary campaigns against people so quickly. >> what you're talking about there, though, it sounds like getting out of the pledge on a technicality. if they wait for the rates to expire on their oath, then they don't have to vote for a rate increase. that really honoring the spirit of this commitment? >> i don't think it is. if that's what it takes to get people to reality, we've been waiting for many years for republican legislators to kind of recognize reality, and people thought, okay, the 2008 election. that will really sort of wake them up and think we have to compromise on issues of taxation. no it didn't. people thought maybe 2012 will do the trick. we see them edge from this. i think their minds really won't be crystallized and focused on this until the top marginal rate is at 39% again. until dividends and capital gains are taxed at 35% and 36% again. until that happens, it will be hard to get people to focus. >> dan, i want to ask you a
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serious question. i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents. anybody who is a student body president ought to be drowned. >> wow, strong feelings. >> did he sign an oath to that in that regard? >> the thing go grover, he's an entertaining guy and he does wield a lot of power. not as much as people said, but chuck todd said he's a symbol of absolutism. dan, what i wanted to ask you about is something else coming into the picture here in these negotiations is the debt ceiling. if that's going to be -- we're going to sort of come up against
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that a couple months into the new year, not at the same time as this fiscal slope. obama said to boehner he wants the debt ceiling to be part of the deal. boehner said everything comes with a price, mr. president. are republicans going to use this to exert leverage right now? >> absolutely. again, another factor that works against a big grand bargain. the more stuff you try to pack in there, you want to talk about social security, medicare. the republicans want to talk about obama care and some of the taxes in there. obama is saying he wants to talk about the debt ceiling. these are all separate issues, and the more stuff you try to jam in there, i think it actually makes it harder to come to an agreement rather than easier. >> dan, part of the whole thing here and calling it a fiscal cliff is to add to the theatricality and the chael leng of the whole thing. it's a slope. everybody calm down.
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we don't need this brinksmanship which adds to the republicans' leverage in this situation. you, sir, are writing a column a day about this. i know you're satiracal in your column. are you feeding the beast of the whole cliff thing, or are you completely trying to take it apart? >> i'm feeding "the daily beast." >> well-played, sir. >> people forget that "nightline" started because of covering the iranian hostage situation. maybe i can get a nighttime show on this. this is kind of serious not just in the sense of the economic impact, but this is a real significant, potential change in policy. we did a lot of things over the last ten years with our taxes and spending. we cut taxes on capital gains and dividends and put medicare
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precipitation drugs in without a financing mechanism. we did all sorts of stuff that distorted or budget processes, the way we spend money and collect money. this is a really big opportunity to either change it proactively with a large deal or to see some really big changes come in without doing anything. either way they have a pretty serious consequence, so i really think it is deserving of the saturation. >> dan, i'm just going to -- i'll say this. you ought to hear this, too. this is probably the 15 theth straight show we've talked about the fiscal cliff, so we're guilty of it, too. >> dan gross, thank you. >> anytime. >> up next, love him, hate him, can't live without them. decoding your friendships. we have the new book on the most complicated relationships. >>. ♪ down the well ring my bell ♪ you lose it borrow mine ♪
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get a droid incredible 4g lte by htc for $49.99. oh, my god. introduce us. >> this is chandler and you know monica and ross and that's phoebe and joey. >> how are you doing? >> don't! >> friendships, they're complicated. facebook tells me i have 2,900 friends and s.e. has way more than that. when i think about how to call in a pinch, the list whittles down quickly. between time pressures and family and distance, people we care about most sometimes get the least attention. luckily our next guest helps us out. everyone gives her book a lot of love. it's called friend keeping. joining us now is julie best
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seller author and friendship expert. i'll start with the time of year. it's the holiday season. it can be a wonderful, joyous time and also quite stressful and quite straining on friendships in particular. this is like a challenging time for a friendship to navigate? >> i think it's challenging for friendships, it's challenging for people. i think the holidays are a rough time for everybody except my 9-year-old daughter. you know, it's sort of something that you need to be sensitive with your friends about where they are in their lives. people at the holidays tend to think about i'm not with a person i want to be or somebody they've lost. so i think it's something where it's a good time to tread lightly and think and care for your friends. >> julie, i'm a mom like you. i have a 4 1/2-year-old daughter. i've found that since having a child, it's become harder for me to have friends who don't also have kids. >> what are you trying to say?
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>> not including my friends at the table. >> the thing about that, one of the things about being a parent is you're so tired all the time, and it's nice to have people in your life who understand why you can't canceling. you're exhausted. >> yes. >> but it's also very nice to have friends who don't have children who aren't talking about what preschool their kid got into or, you know, whether their kid can read "war and peace" at age 3. it's sort of refreshing to talk to people who know what's happening in the world. all of you do. >> what school is your kid? we'll talk about it after the show. there's many reasons -- >> she's in harvard for fourth grade. >> oh, oh. okay. >> the harvard of the upper west side. >> let's wrap this up. there's many reasons why we move on from our friends, and you know, marriage, region, get a
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new career, they get a different career. there's lots of ryaeasons to brk apart. i like the essence of you, but we don't know each other the way we used to. there's a divide between us. how do we navigate those situations where we still want that connection, because it was there in the past, but it's not really all the way there anymore? >> well, it's an effort. it's something you have to make an effort. i think one of the things that happens as you get older is that sfli friendships are like the wallpaper of your life. they're lovely and out there, but we're not doing that much to take care of them. i think you need to be -- you need to put in the effort instead of assuming that every time you have plans with this person you'll be able to cancel. don't. you know, you can also keep in touch with so many nice ways that aren't the phone or being in person. you can tweet at them or facebook with them or e-mail them or text them or something so you're sort of keeping in
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touch and on top of things without necessarily having to leave your house. >> julie, do you have any -- your tips here for maintaining friendships. there are a few in your book that are helpful to keep in mind? >> i think that a big tip for me is taking care of yourself in a friendship. it's sort of like the air mask that drops down. you put it on your face before the kid's face. you need to take care of yourself when you find yourself in a friendship that may be innervating. make sure that you set limits. i think you need to count your sprendships as important as everything else. we have family commitments, job commitments, things you absolutely have to do, and friendship isn't disposable but it can feel that way. i think putting in the time is crucial. >> you know, julie, most people i think would want to maintain
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their friendships and find new ways to do that, and maybe even expand their circle of friends. i very much like to make mine smaller. how do i go about -- >> wait for my net book "friend losing." >> yes. are there ways -- it seems impossible with facebook and easy ways to connect with people, is there a way to unconnect, disconnect? say, please leave me alone, i have enough friends thank you. >> i think sadly it's easy to disconnect. >> did i just do it? >> i think you keep your -- i think when you find you have much less friends on facebook after this segment. >> wonderful. >> yeah, i think that, you know, it's so easy you don't return a couple of phone calls, and people disappear unless they are really -- >> stalkers? >> stalkers. >> they like you. >> you can keep stalkers around for a while, i believe. >> now i know why s.e. stopped returning my calls.
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if logged onto facebook in the past few days. the fake copyright notice is circulating preying on the privacy fears of users. thousands of facebookers believed the hoax cutting and pasting it on the walls believing it protects their content under copyright laws. facebook says what you put out there is fair game. those rules may change again. tomorrow is the deadline for s users to weigh in to share it with insta gram. also proposed is doing away with your right to decide who messages you. this, eliminating your right to vote on proposed new rules. this has a lot of people talking today. let's backspin it. there are a couple of issues here. you will no longer have control in facebook who messages you. it could flood your inbox with
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spam, that's the immediate downside. there's a bigger issue with google, for instance. everybody uses google to search and there's google plus. your online life can be built around google if you want, g mail, all these things. what happens and what google was trying to do this year was to sort of create and use all their different online products and your activity on them to create an online profile of you. to use what you search for and to use what's in the terms in your e-mails. if there's something with google plus, they can kind of create an idea that that is what your personality is. i think that the personality of people online, they assume there's a cloak there so people let parts of themselves sort of show online that they otherwise would. i think there's a story in the times last week about -- >> like what, steve? be specific. >> there's a couple ways to read that statement like anthony weiner would say. google auto complete. start asking a question about
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something. you find out what people -- you and about john boehner, you don't ask about the fiscal cliff or the tax plan. they ask if john boehner is gay. is joe biden, stupid, retards, gay, jewish, smart? these are the smart. these are the things that pop up. >> gay is like always. >> gay is up there. mormon is up there a lot. bill belichick, the patriots coach, is bill bielichick gay, mormon, a cheater. >> sideline cheater. >> it's interesting that this profile, i think people don't maybe appreciate that everything you're searching -- there are people who are putting this all together and saying that's who this guy is. >> that reminds me of a funny story from thanks lelast year. a guy on twitter told his dad twitter was a search engine. so his dad started entering
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questions into twitter and they went up as posts. some examples, how do you pronounce juan? national geographic dinosaur truth. can i bring a tupperware of chili on an airplane. i don't know if this was real or fake but it was really, really funny. people don't realize, the internet is not a gated community. what you say is going to be up there. that said i'm a little disappointed in facebook. i thought the whole point was to democratize the internet and bring people together and protect your own little community and instead now it seems like they're almost something of a dictatorship saying you're not going to get to vote in these decisions and we're going to steal your information and share it with whomever they want. it might make me want to not be on facebook. >> bottom line is the bottom line for them. >> but i find the whole discussion that they're saying you're saying very disappointing, but everybody has to remember, the internet never forgets.
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whatever you put on facebook, you can not be hired because of what you get on facebook. or you could not get a boyfriend or girlfriend because of what they will find about you on facebook. it's never lost and the people who are living on facebook and putting these pictures on themselves at a party or what have you, won't want that picture out there in ten years. the internet never forgets. you will be regretting the amount you gave to facebook -- >> why are you looking at me? >> i'm not, krystal. what, what? >> to that point, you know, i think facebook is trying to make money, and what we have seen is basically as consumers we have sent a message we are not willing to pay for stuff on the internet. so we are paying with our personal data instead. and one thing i think that could be helpful that i was reminded of is the consumer financial protection bureau has put together these simplified forms for credit cards and mortgages so that consumers have an easier time understanding what they're getting into and i think this problem of what are we exactly getting ourselves into when we
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sign up for facebook and other social networking services would be helpful. some sort of form that is easily understood, transparent, at least then consumers have some opportunity to educate themselves. >> there's the next great market opening. it's for some sort of product that will protect you from all these sinister data gathering things that facebook and google has. >> who would vote for in the future i can't vote for anything. who would vote for you th-- tha? >> grover norquist is the talk of the town in washington. bles. [ clock ticking ] >> grover norquist is the talk of the town in washington. that? >> grover norquist is the talk of the town in washington. tast. could've had a v8. or...try kids boxes! anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day
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republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norqui norquist, but with each new republican disavowing grover norquist, the chances of a deal rises sharply. >> that was chuck schumer last hour on the senate floor. grover norquist is either having the worst few weeks of his life or the best. it's hard to tell. his anti-tax pledge and the immense power he's wielded because of it has become a hotly debated top irk among hill watchers who wonder if its days are numbered. if republicans agree to raise tacks, it will be reluctantly, i'm sure, but also economically dangerous. it will also be because grown-ups have decided though that the good of the country and, indeed, the good of the party mean that the ends justify the means. pledges of this nature and grover's isn't the only one, seem decidedly silly and easily broken whether codified or not.
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democrats pledge this year to fund their convention solely with individual donations and then promptly took millions in corporate cash. the problem with politics isn't a lack of pledges, it's a lack of will power on our part. politicians break promises all the time. we have a handy system in place to deliver consequences, vote the bums out. when the stakes are merely an endorsement one starts to wonder if we're operating under a monarchy or a spoil system where loyal underlings are rewarded for good behavior. finally, they are for the most part redundant. few republicans would argue with the need to lower taxes or for the imperative to raise them. wh among them would argue with the need to cut spending, cap spending levels, and balance the budget as was directed in the cut, cap, and balance pledge? or to promote a pro-life agenda as the susan b. anthony project required? committing to obvious pledges at the barrel of a gun seems to say
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more about the paranoid solicitor of the pledge than the signatories. i know grover and i get it, taxes are a tierney and starving the beast is not only a moral and political imperative but sound economic policy. his is an important mission. but purity tests take on a life of their own. failing to recognize changing social and political realities and hemming in a that shouldn't make sweeping and momentous decisions based solely on one narrow piece of doctrine. promises are important, keeping them even more important, but the political pledge is becoming a nuisance and an albatross. it's time to put the pledge to bed. okay. that does it for "the cycle." martin, it's all yours. >> s.e. cupp describing the monarchy of the republican party with king john boehner on the throne. thank you. good afternoon. it's tuesday, november 27th, and as a corner is turned in washington, republicans appear to be going off the rails.

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The Cycle
MSNBC November 27, 2012 12:00pm-1:00pm PST

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TOPIC FREQUENCY Susan Rice 14, Grover Norquist 12, Washington 8, John Mccain 7, Dan 7, Benghazi 5, Obama 5, Citi 4, Mexico 4, Google 4, Grover 4, John Kerry 4, Mccain 4, Phillips 3, Amanda 3, Krystal 2, U.n. 2, California 2, Ayotte 2, Julie 2
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